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lylemcd 05-27-2015 07:25 AM

Women, Training and Fat Loss -Book Teaser
 

sunnybreezylife 05-27-2015 09:36 AM

Yay! This is exciting.

Merch 05-27-2015 11:48 AM

P4 Chapter 1:
As I wrote in my Stubborn Fat Solution, the approaches that often work just fine for men (who only have to deal with abdominal fat) often [fail] utterly for women.

P11 Chapter 1:
I the past I’ve stated that “Women are screwed” and while blunt, this is not far off.

InsertCleverNameHere 05-27-2015 01:20 PM

Are those the only typos you caught, Merch? There were a whole bunch when I read it, but it's not so bad that it's unreadable.

Back on topic: this is really exciting. This seems to me like the biggest thing ever, and I'm not even a woman! Unfortunately, the women in my life are fad chasers who don't like taking the simple (but difficult) route.

squat 05-27-2015 02:11 PM

Women are always imagining new origins for their problems. Hopefully your book will finally show them that being a woman is the problem.

lylemcd 05-27-2015 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Merch (Post 278858)
P4 Chapter 1:
As I wrote in my Stubborn Fat Solution, the approaches that often work just fine for men (who only have to deal with abdominal fat) often [fail] utterly for women.

P11 Chapter 1:
I the past I’ve stated that “Women are screwed” and while blunt, this is not far off.

I AM STILL EDITING. Seriously.

lylemcd 05-27-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by InsertCleverNameHere (Post 278864)
Are those the only typos you caught, Merch? There were a whole bunch when I read it, but it's not so bad that it's unreadable.

Back on topic: this is really exciting. This seems to me like the biggest thing ever, and I'm not even a woman! Unfortunately, the women in my life are fad chasers who don't like taking the simple (but difficult) route.

Hi what does EDITING mean to you? Any of you. Christ.

lylemcd 05-27-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnybreezylife (Post 278853)
Yay! This is exciting.

So let me get this straight, lady. You come in here and blow kisses at me and then go into the comments of the piece and whine about how I'm mean and too honest and that Leigh Peele (who is an idiot) and Layne Norton (who is a liar) are nicer and all that crap. Christ, schizophrenic much. Hope you got my responses but make up your mind you two-faced little hypocrite.

sunnybreezylife 05-27-2015 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lylemcd (Post 278881)
So let me get this straight, lady. You come in here and blow kisses at me and then go into the comments of the piece and whine about how I'm mean and too honest and that Leigh Peele (who is an idiot) and Layne Norton (who is a liar) are nicer and all that crap. Christ, schizophrenic much. Hope you got my responses but make up your mind you two-faced little hypocrite.

You ARE mean, Lyle. I made a simple comment of thanks and you went off on me. I replied to expand on what I meant. Calm down, and please don't call me names.

Taste Of Fire 05-28-2015 04:37 AM

I know the target of the book is women, but will it also be a good read for men? May be some protocols, studies, conclusions, applications, etc. Does the book add some value for men compared to the books allready out there?

BigBearBits 05-28-2015 06:07 AM

Looks like you're making the book I can pass to friends and family members that will actually get read. I try to give them advice, point them to your articles and other informative sites, but that's normally all too much like hard work and nothing much gets learned. Having everything in one place might just change everything, can't wait!

Noticed a lot of the content of the bible is already covered on the main site or in your previous books. For us lot who are already familiar with all of your work, aside from the entire book on women (can't wait!), is there anything revolutionary, or is there a particular subject that your stance has changed on for this book.. that you're willing to spoil? :D

Merch 05-28-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBearBits (Post 278906)
Looks like you're making the book I can pass to friends and family members that will actually get read. I try to give them advice, point them to your articles and other informative sites, but that's normally all too much like hard work and nothing much gets learned. Having everything in one place might just change everything, can't wait!

If they won't read an article they aren't going to read a book.

lostmyoldaccount 05-29-2015 05:10 AM

It seems like you're getting a lot more work done lately.

Did you find out some sort of method or way to become more disciplined and if so can you share?

BigBearBits 05-29-2015 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Merch (Post 278955)
If they won't read an article they aren't going to read a book.

I want to disagree. A book like this is a safe place, away from all of the misinformation thrown about. It's much easier to point someone at one single comprehensive book, rather than handing them a 20 page long list of legitimate articles and information sources and telling them to go to town.

Losername 05-29-2015 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBearBits (Post 278986)
I want to disagree. A book like this is a safe place, away from all of the misinformation thrown about. It's much easier to point someone at one single comprehensive book, rather than handing them a 20 page long list of legitimate articles and information sources and telling them to go to town.

The main problem with articles isn't really misinformation, it's the lack of linearity a book has. Go read an average article and you're pretty much left with something half-baked that probably has limited effect in the practical world. Read a few and you'd be hard pressed to combine them all together into a coherent diet plan.

And this is where the misinformation part comes into play, although in the paradox form of "the more you know, the less you realize you know".

lylemcd 05-29-2015 05:04 PM

Nobody has an attention span anymore. And trust me, people are just as awful at reading books as articles.

Losername 05-29-2015 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lylemcd (Post 279017)
Nobody has an attention span anymore. And trust me, people are just as awful at reading books as articles.

To be honest I'm a bit skeptical about the whole attention span thing. If we take into account the Pareto principle, would it reasonable to say that 80% of the weight you lose would come from only 20% knowledge about a proper diet, and therefore you wouldn't really need to study THAT much. I think you'd probably spend more time on trying different varieties of food and different ways of making it.

ColeTrain 05-30-2015 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Losername (Post 279023)
To be honest I'm a bit skeptical about the whole attention span thing. If we take into account the Pareto principle, would it reasonable to say that 80% of the weight you lose would come from only 20% knowledge about a proper diet, and therefore you wouldn't really need to study THAT much. I think you'd probably spend more time on trying different varieties of food and different ways of making it.

Twenty percent of whose knowledge? Lyle's? The average dieter? Percentages are relative.

If any lesson is to be learned from the Pareto principle and other power law distributions, it's probably that for all the people trying to lose and keep off a substantial amount of weight/fat, very few will get it off and keep it off no matter how much knowledge they've accumulated and effort they've given. I'd imagine there's also a linear correlation between those successful few and their outlier genetics and/or drug usage. Probably more the latter since genetic freaks usually don't end up obese. Although, anyone with an a voracious appetite and lack of activity could eat past their genetic advantages. It happens to retired athletes all the time.

If anything, the key to long term weight/fat loss has very little to do with training and nutrition knowledge, and mostly to do with learning how to break bad habits and establish good habits. It's a psychological war more than a physiological war. However, that dichotomy is unnecessary, if inaccurate, since they're so intertwined.

lylemcd 05-30-2015 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Losername (Post 279023)
To be honest I'm a bit skeptical about the whole attention span thing. If we take into account the Pareto principle, would it reasonable to say that 80% of the weight you lose would come from only 20% knowledge about a proper diet, and therefore you wouldn't really need to study THAT much. I think you'd probably spend more time on trying different varieties of food and different ways of making it.

Nothing to do whatsoever with what I said.

But tell you what read 20% of one of my articles. Think it will get you 80% of the meaning? Just every 5th word or the first couple of paragraphs.

Exactly.

lylemcd 05-30-2015 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ColeTrain (Post 279029)
I'd imagine there's also a linear correlation between those successful few and their outlier genetics and/or drug usage. Probably more the latter since genetic freaks usually don't end up obese.

You are incorrect on so many levels with the above. And those that don't end up obes are NOT included in the statistics on who succesfully loses and keep if off. Neither do drugs have anything to do with it. There' a ton of data on what successful losers do and do not do, habits and such. And NONE of it has to do with what you wrote.

ColeTrain 05-30-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lylemcd (Post 279038)
You are incorrect on so many levels with the above. And those that don't end up obes are NOT included in the statistics on who succesfully loses and keep if off. Neither do drugs have anything to do with it. There' a ton of data on what successful losers do and do not do, habits and such. And NONE of it has to do with what you wrote.

You don't think that individuals who go from obese to reasonably lean (working definition of reasonably lean debatable) for the long term don't usually resort to either OTC or prescription drugs whether anorectics, stimulants, hormones, etc.?

I'd agree that drugs aren't necessary for losing weight for many people, but keeping it off and not becoming a yo-yo dieter? Did you have specific data in mind? I'm definitely interested in it because concomitant anecdotes all lead me to believe my assertion, which is that people typically turn to drugs to sustain their weight loss (even if just consistent caffeine consumption most of the day), but obviously the plurality of anecdote isn't fact.

lylemcd 05-30-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ColeTrain (Post 279043)
You don't think that individuals who go from obese to reasonably lean (working definition of reasonably lean debatable) for the long term don't usually resort to either OTC or prescription drugs whether anorectics, stimulants, hormones, etc.?

Ah yes, now you actually define what you mean by drug-user. Because by not defining it up front you got to choose your definition (Could be steroids and clen) to be 'right' no matter what I said. Idiot.

And given that most of the world uses drugs on a daily basis, what's the problem here? Obesity needs chronic treatment and I bet you took drugs today you judgmental dip.

Screw off.

Merch 06-01-2015 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBearBits (Post 278986)
I want to disagree. A book like this is a safe place, away from all of the misinformation thrown about. It's much easier to point someone at one single comprehensive book, rather than handing them a 20 page long list of legitimate articles and information sources and telling them to go to town.

Don't send them a 20 page long list of articles and information sources send them one or two of the most important articles, once they've read them (which the probably won't) discuss it with them then send one or two more.

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Originally Posted by Losername (Post 279016)
The main problem with articles isn't really misinformation, it's the lack of linearity a book has. Go read an average article and you're pretty much left with something half-baked that probably has limited effect in the practical world. Read a few and you'd be hard pressed to combine them all together into a coherent diet plan.

And this is where the misinformation part comes into play, although in the paradox form of "the more you know, the less you realize you know".

Don't send people crap articles, problem solved. There is like a 87.6% chance Lyle has a quality article discussing whatever nutrition or exercise topic you may want to share with someone, just send that. heh

lylemcd 06-01-2015 01:31 PM

Or don't bother. Unsolicited advice is just that. Wait for them to ASK you for help. Otherwise you are wasting your time.

Merch 06-01-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lylemcd (Post 279099)
Or don't bother. Unsolicited advice is just that. Wait for them to ASK you for help. Otherwise you are wasting your time.

I only send people articles when they've asked for information, they still usually don't bother reading. Hah

lostmyoldaccount 06-02-2015 11:33 PM

Well there be new info not yet discussed on the forum or in the articles?

I'll buy it just for an interesting read and to learn more about fat loss, biology, etc.

squat 06-03-2015 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lostmyoldaccount (Post 279170)
Well there be new info not yet discussed on the forum or in the articles?

I'll buy it just for an interesting read and to learn more about fat loss, biology, etc.

I'll buy it to learn more about women. I read a lot of books about what it means to be a woman, though.

farrenator 06-03-2015 06:36 AM

Squat - just look for Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner's upcoming book.

Sorry for the aside, back to the topic at hand............

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Originally Posted by squat (Post 279177)
I'll buy it to learn more about women. I read a lot of books about what it means to be a woman, though.


lylemcd 06-03-2015 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lostmyoldaccount (Post 279170)
Well there be new info not yet discussed on the forum or in the articles?

Of course not, I'm writing a 225+ page book entirely on women's physiology that is stuff that you've seen before.

GrandMasterT 06-08-2015 04:26 AM

i showed the example to my girlfriend and she cannot wait for this to be released, because lately she has been having problems with loosing weight despite having her diet in check.

and yes i will also read it just so i can say something about the topic ;-)

alwayshungry 06-20-2015 03:42 PM

Can't wait for the book. I love the way you write Lyle.

lylemcd 06-20-2015 04:13 PM

I can't wait to be done with editing. This is exhausting. But slowly getting there.

Thanks

lynn 07-23-2015 09:29 AM

Wow I just saw this and I'm so excited - hopefully my lateness on the excitement bandwagon means I will not have to wait much longer ;) Thanks for all your work Lyle, I've never been led astray by your advice yet.

lylemcd 07-23-2015 09:54 AM

Still editing and it's grindingly coming along. Soon...I hope :)

3sweeties 09-24-2015 02:27 PM

Will there be a section on gaining muscle for post menopausal women?

lylemcd 09-24-2015 03:37 PM

Gaining muscle in general, yes. There aren't that many changes post-menopause to be honest but it's all in there to one degree or another.

supercowboi 08-22-2016 03:51 PM

Any news on this book release?

Hectic 08-27-2016 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taste Of Fire (Post 278903)
I know the target of the book is women, but will it also be a good read for men? May be some protocols, studies, conclusions, applications, etc. Does the book add some value for men compared to the books allready out there?

Well there seems to be plenty of blokes on the formums happy to embrace their feminine side. Especially when it comes to crash diets, eating disorders and being afraid of lifting heavy weights

Gives me stubborn fat on the thighs just thinking about it

lylemcdonald 08-28-2016 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by supercowboi (Post 294756)
Any news on this book release?

WHEN
IT
IS
DONE.

Good grief why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp?


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