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Unread 08-11-2009, 06:35 PM
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Lyle what are your thoughts on this supplement?

I think it is another supplement that a few small scale studies have been taken out of context to market such a product.

Do you think something like this would be useful during training over and above a diet already sufficient in quality protein?

I would like to settle a discussion elsewhere

Thoughts if you may
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Unread 08-11-2009, 06:52 PM
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It's overpriced garbage. Hydrolyzing caseinate is absurd anyhow.
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See this Gareth: http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showp...6&postcount=18

Lyle, forgive me if I'm wrong (I had meant to ask this in response to the above but forgot) but doesn't that graph support the fact that hydrolysates peak blood amino levels quicker? The peaks for both WPHY and CPHY appear quicker (although not higher) than that of the whole proteins. Does the speed of blood amino's peak in the post exercise have any bearing on muscle synthesis anyway?
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If anything, slower is better. What everybody forgets is that casein > whey for actual leucine retention. Other work supports the idea that slower is better following training; or at least a mix of fast and slow.

And the difference is pretty small. Certainly not worth paying 6X the amount for a bitter tasting crap protein. Put differently: if you think 20 minutes or whatever is the difference between jakt and not, you've already missed the plot
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Other work supports the idea that slower is better following training; or at least a mix of fast and slow.
Source for this? I'd love to shoot down these bro's on another board.

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Put differently: if you think 20 minutes or whatever is the difference between jakt and not, you've already missed the plot
As I thought total daily quatity > speed of absorbtion.

They can't seem to grasp that if I'm training in the post-prandial period I'll have plenty of amion's floting around in my system already! One of their reasonings for taking peptopro was to "turn from catabolic to anabolic" during the workout!
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Source: The Protein Book

And you'll even note that the difference between casein and it's hydrolysate was miniscule approaching zero
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Source for this? I'd love to shoot down these bro's on another board.



As I thought total daily quatity > speed of absorbtion.

They can't seem to grasp that if I'm training in the post-prandial period I'll have plenty of amion's floting around in my system already! One of their reasonings for taking peptopro was to "turn from catabolic to anabolic" during the workout!
friendly tip:

you can bombard them with as many references as you want, and they're still going to argue "bro gotta get in your amino's if you don't want to be catabolic and have your muscle's fall off". Ultimately they'll say "bro post pic's," and then whether or not you do, all the good bros will hi-5 each other and brag about how they owned the pencilneck.

The entertainment will probably not be worth the aggravation.
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