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Unread 03-18-2009, 09:27 AM
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Default Squats vs. Leg press for Size and Strength

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Unread 03-18-2009, 10:20 AM
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So I know this article was to challenge the axiom that squats are always the superior choice, and that is refreshing. So I guess it would make sense that the article mainly stressed the pros of the leg press for the mechanically disadvantaged.

But apart from what body-building pseudo-science website say, why is in some ways the squat superior?
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Unread 03-18-2009, 10:26 AM
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Offhand, few jump to mind that wouldn't come across as macho posturing or personal bias.

Frankly, given how badly 99% of trainees squat, a properly done leg press would be the superior movement. I rarely taught squats for personal training clients, the chances to screw up form is just too high.

Simply, unless
a. the trainer knows what they are doing (and most don't)
b. they can train the trainee for long enough to really teach good form (which is often not the case)
c. the trainee doesn't have their head up their butt (e.g. they are going to throw on too much weight and let their form go to hell)

Squats are a usually a losing proposition.
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Unread 03-18-2009, 11:33 AM
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FWIW, I bought Starting Strength and read the Squat chapter about a dozen times while doing Starting Strength, and video taping myself squatting at each workout and comparing mechanics to the book. I also had Mark Rippetoe critique my videos, and eventually I got my form nailed down. Of course, his way is but one way to squat but it's certainly one correct way.
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Unread 03-18-2009, 11:45 AM
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No disagreement. However, that level of effort does not describe most trainees; most won't spend that much time getting it right.

And that's what most tend to forget when this type of topic comes up.

The average dedicated trainee/bodybuidler is already willing to put far more effort into things than everybody else. then again, 99% of back squats I still see are done utterly poorly, bodybuilder or not. OF course, the same goes for leg press and everything else too.
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Unread 03-18-2009, 12:10 PM
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Good stuff. My legs grew more on my most recent bulk than they ever have before, and I credit it to finally giving up on squats completely and having the leg press (both 2 leg and 1 leg) and split squats (plus RDLs and leg curls) make up my entire leg training.

Sooo should have done this years ago.
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Unread 05-03-2009, 11:20 PM
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This is related to having pressing movements as the "main leg movement" for all leg workouts:
If a person doesn't deadlift/rdl, how do you recommend alternating leg workouts if at all?
Would it cause hamstring/quad imbalances if all leg workouts were:
- Press Compound Exericse - 4x6-8
- Hamstring Curls - 3 x 10
- Pressing Unilateral Exercise - 3 x 10-12
Calves/Abs

How else would you recommend messing with that?
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Unread 05-03-2009, 11:41 PM
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why do you need to mess with it. squat, front squat, glute ham raises, reverse hypers, split squat, leg press, hack squat, etc. there is a lot of pressing, pulling variety, but who says you NEED variety? stimulus and progressive overload are whats important.
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Unread 05-04-2009, 02:12 PM
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why do you need to mess with it. squat, front squat, glute ham raises, reverse hypers, split squat, leg press, hack squat, etc. there is a lot of pressing, pulling variety, but who says you NEED variety? stimulus and progressive overload are whats important.
Cuz in the bulk routine, Lyle recommends starting one lower workoout with a heavy, compound pull exercise and I'm not doing that. Should I start with Hamstring Curls 4x8ish or jsut repeat the same workout and risk have quad-hamstring imbalances?
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Unread 05-04-2009, 02:37 PM
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Why can't you do dl's?
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