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Unread 10-05-2018, 11:44 PM
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I haven't listened to Dr Patrick's stuff in a while but iirc shes a proponent of TRF, fasting mimicking diets etc ***not*** prolonged fasts, dry fasts or other bizzare stuff. Also iirc she mentions Dr Panda and Dr Longos work, a lot of which are done in obese, or mice, or otherwise non generalizable populations. I grew up around a lot of poor subsistence farmers who were doing the "omad"/"warrior diet"/whatever way long before it became cool, and so were their ancestors I'm sure.
And they all died young/are dead. So draw your own conclusions.
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According to them, they do it for the macrophage benefits.
You mean made up, pulled out of the butthole benefits. This is all based on a lot of animal research nothing. It's more I wanna live forever garbage. Be active, stay lean, eat healthy. Nobody gets out of here alive and I'll take quality of life over quantity any day.
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Unread 10-06-2018, 04:48 AM
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You mean made up, pulled out of the butthole benefits. This is all based on a lot of animal research nothing. It's more I wanna live forever garbage. Be active, stay lean, eat healthy. Nobody gets out of here alive and I'll take quality of life over quantity any day.
If it wasnt obvious they did it cuz they are poor and dont have the 1st world luxury of multiple meals...
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From Dr Fung's presentations, interviews etc, I've gleaned that his fasting protocols are aimed at individuals with obesity coupled with chronic illness (usually diabetes). I recall at least two interviews where he essentially communicated that his protocols aren't meant for those who don't have any/much weight to lose. And I've never seen any fasting-for-mass themed material from him.

He uses improved bio-markers, how many/much medication(s) he gets his patients off and probably weight loss to gauge whether his intervention is working. The protocols themselves extend from IF to block fasts of various intervals up to 7 days. And in response to a specific podcast question, he recommended Keto during the IF eating window.

The table of contents of his book has a 'Who Should Not Fast' chapter but, curiously for me, no 'How to Maintain Weight Loss' chapter. I've also searched his blog for specific information about minimising lean mass loss and avoiding nutritional deficiencies and found his responses interesting but unconvincing. All told, modified fasts like RFL are a safer bet.
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If it wasnt obvious they did it cuz they are poor and dont have the 1st world luxury of multiple meals...
Yes, I got that. Fasting, like veganism and organic food is now something that people rich enogh to not HAVE to starve get to do on a whim.
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From Dr Fung's presentations, interviews etc, I've gleaned that his fasting protocols are aimed at individuals with obesity coupled with chronic illness (usually diabetes). I recall at least two interviews where he essentially communicated that his protocols aren't meant for those who don't have any/much weight to lose. And I've never seen any fasting-for-mass themed material from him.

He uses improved bio-markers, how many/much medication(s) he gets his patients off and probably weight loss to gauge whether his intervention is working. The protocols themselves extend from IF to block fasts of various intervals up to 7 days. And in response to a specific podcast question, he recommended Keto during the IF eating window.

The table of contents of his book has a 'Who Should Not Fast' chapter but, curiously for me, no 'How to Maintain Weight Loss' chapter. I've also searched his blog for specific information about minimising lean mass loss and avoiding nutritional deficiencies and found his responses interesting but unconvincing. All told, modified fasts like RFL are a safer bet.
Dr Fung is a conman; He is te typical keto zealot who says fat loss is about insulin and blocks anybody with divergent opinions. Do not believe a word he says.
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Unread 10-12-2018, 08:23 PM
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Has anyone noticed a newfound bandwagon of fasting these days? Not talking about warrior diet/leangains/adf but people fasting for days on end? I quickly perused some sources and Jason Fung and some mice studies by Dr Walter Longo seem to be a lot of the motivation for it. Is this the pendulum swinging the other way from eating 6x a day or...what's going on?

Also a host of other bizzare stuff like 'dry fasting', which you'd think is just skipping water but also not washing/brushing/etc whilst in the fasted mode?
People are fasting for 1 day and noticing their weight drop.. and figure, why not fast for multiple days? It's pretty wild. I was reading through reddit's 'fasting' and people routinely do 5+ day fasts there for weight loss.
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People are fasting for 1 day and noticing their weight drop.. and figure, why not fast for multiple days? It's pretty wild. I was reading through reddit's 'fasting' and people routinely do 5+ day fasts there for weight loss.
I thought they were bad but then I found r/dryfasting.
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I thought they were bad but then I found r/dryfasting.
Better than /vegan I guess

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Unread 12-03-2018, 09:48 AM
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Yes, know a couple people who want to try this but rather than fast through the day, they want to fast for the weekend or a couple days at a time. And loled at dry fasting. Fasting with no liquids sounds like a nightmare. I'd also be curious how you sleep whatsoever with that long of a fast.

I've also noticed that I mention fasting and people start to ask me about it in regards to weight loss. Fasting seems to be going more mainstream in general.
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