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Unread 05-16-2016, 09:38 AM
bb’er bb’er is offline
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Default what do you think about ketogains?

Bulking on a ketogenic diet (tkd and ckd)
This seems getting more and more popularity.
Also menno henselmans is very interested in this type of bulk diet
Also he mention that ketogains maybe the best diet is for bodybuilders.

study says:
Lean body mass increased to a greater extent in the VLCKD diet (5 % CHO, 75 % Fat, 20 % Pro) as compared to the traditional group (55 % CHO, 25 % fat, 20 % pro):

a lot more information about muscle growth on ketogenic diet:

ketogains Facebook wins more popularity.

I wonder what lyle thinks about this and of cours other members of this forum
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Unread 05-16-2016, 09:56 AM
lylemcdonald lylemcdonald is offline
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Menno is hilarious and loves to take stupid abstracts and crap research to support his confirmation bias on the topic. I'm airly sure I know what abstract he's citing and it's by magician Jacob Wilson who's results are completely at odds with any version of reality.

On every level, hormonal and otherwise, it's not optimal.

Ketosis is a catabolic state even in high calories. Insulin down, SHBG up, T3 down, hyou name it and it's not optimal and that nonsense is popular online doesn't change anything. Lots of stupid stuff is popular online.
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Unread 11-01-2016, 12:10 AM
criscarl criscarl is offline
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Thumbs up kg is generally a good thing imo

i think the framework is gresat for begjnners and the community is smart and curious. people who still have things to learn will benefit from discussions, if onky thru fact checking. Anyone who would want to push it to the next level would be able to recognise openings to make the program better while doing it.

i dont pay for stuff like thus but as far as diy guidance goes its hard to I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post. up . the utility to average people with stubborn bodies is high. it shows many a world they barely knew existed.
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Unread 11-02-2016, 02:40 PM
ssg10587 ssg10587 is offline
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What Lyle said. This gets advocated over and over. I saw this being asked 10 years ago and I've read logs of people doing it.

The results suck and the gains are minimal. Keto is not a diet for bulking including CKD and TKD. Your body needs to be in an anabolic state overall for continual growth. As Lyle mentions, anything involving ketosis is catabolic and doing the opposite..
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Unread 11-04-2016, 01:10 PM
w1cked w1cked is offline
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There is a subreddit called /ketogains. No gains are to be found.
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Unread 11-04-2016, 01:32 PM
Myles.Buckley Myles.Buckley is offline
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see #1 in my signature.
1. Ketosis doesn't matter.
2. Strength training+Protein+DHA/EPA+veggies+vitamins&minerals DOES.
3. Search BEFORE you ask questions.
4. Use google as well - Add "". Google can find those short strings of letters.
5. You are not a rodent so follow up with pubmed ( use "+human" "-rat" "-mouse" modifiers
6. Check the STICKY threads.
7. use google to find all my posts.
8. Supplement evidence
9. Private message are cheerfully ignored.
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