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I covered the sprinter vs. marathoner example IN THE BLOG. differences in muscle mass are b/c sprinter lift weights and marathoners don't b/c they don't need muscles.

that said, excessive amounts of any activity especially on a diet can cause muscle loss
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I covered the sprinter vs. marathoner example IN THE BLOG. differences in muscle mass are b/c sprinter lift weights and marathoners don't b/c they don't need muscles.
Are you sure about this? I have known sprinters who were lean rather than skinny, not much mass but lean. As fas as they know they have never joined a gym or see a dumbbell or barbell in their life. Still they didn't look anything like distance runners or marathoners.
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Ben Johnson squatted 620 lbs.

Yes, sprinters lift weights. They mostly do squats and RDLs and other hip exercises. They need a lot of power to accelerate quickly and maintain their ridiculous speed. They don't just run fast...they are in a full on sprint which is totally different. Each step isn't a 'bounce' forward like most runners perform. They use the full power of their glutes and hamstrings and one of the most decisive parts of the race is at the start when they're in the box. Look at the position of their feet and how they lean forward -- they are essentially in a split squat.

Sprinters that don't squat will never become great.

I wish more people studied how real athletes trained and could actually understand why some are so strong and so fast. Maybe then people would stop getting stupid workout plans from Flex Magazine and would stop trying to train like their favorite 250lb. Mr. Olympia that relies on volume and needles to his I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post. to get big.

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Ben Johnson squatted 620 lbs.

Yes, sprinters lift weights. They mostly do squats and RDLs and other hip exercises. They need a lot of power to accelerate quickly and maintain their ridiculous speed. They don't just run fast...they are in a full on sprint which is totally different. Each step isn't a 'bounce' forward like most runners perform. They use the full power of their glutes and hamstrings and one of the most decisive parts of the race is at the start when they're in the box. Look at the position of their feet and how they lean forward -- they are essentially in a split squat.

Sprinters that don't squat will never become great.

I wish more people studied how real athletes trained and could actually understand why some are so strong and so fast. Maybe then people would stop getting stupid workout plans from Flex Magazine and would stop trying to train like their favorite 250lb. Mr. Olympia that relies on volume and needles to his I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post. to get big.
so you dont think sprinters do
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so you dont think sprinters do
Rely on them to get big?

No.

That would be silly.


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Yes, I'm aware that some sprinters juice. However, don't even try to place it in the same league as pro IFBB bodybuilders.
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Rely on them to get big?

No.

That would be silly.


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Yes, I'm aware that some sprinters juice. However, don't even try to place it in the same league as pro IFBB bodybuilders.
sprinters don't need to be excessively larger, steroids are more about recovery, increasing muscle mass and stregth/power slightly and allowing them to handle the intensive training loads
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Rely on them to get big?

No.

That would be silly.


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Yes, I'm aware that some sprinters juice. However, don't even try to place it in the same league as pro IFBB bodybuilders.
yes but you said
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I wish more people studied how real athletes trained and could actually understand why some are so strong and so fast. Maybe then people would stop getting stupid workout plans from Flex Magazine and would stop trying to train like their favorite 250lb. Mr. Olympia that relies on volume and needles to his I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post.I need to read the rules post. to get big.
if they are using steroids which IMO most top sprinters are,thats how they are getting the benefits,so following there training would be as much use as following an IFBB pro
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sprinters don't need to be excessively larger, steroids are more about recovery, increasing muscle mass and stregth/power slightly and allowing them to handle the intensive training loads
Yup, I know.

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if they are using steroids which IMO most top sprinters are,thats how they are getting the benefits,so following there training would be as much use as following an IFBB pro
I said athletes, not sprinters. Obviously if you want to get big you wouldn't train like a sprinter. However, there's some very, very big natural track athletes and powerlifters.
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I read an article by a sport physiologist which I can't post because it's not in english.
Anyway his thesis is that it's absurd to think of lower intensity cardio as better for weight loss than higher intensity cardio.

His rationale:
If a person has a maintenance caloric intake of 2000 calories including the physical activity which is 300 calories. If the cardio is moderate intensity most fat will be burned.
If he goes home and eat 200 calories they will go to replenish the fat loss. Even if they're carbohydrate calories they will be turned into fat because that's what we have lost.

If the same person spends 300 calories of high intensity cardio and will burn mostly carbohydrates when he goes homeand eat 200 calories they will go to replenish the glycogen lost, preventing those calories from turning into fat.

Something doesn't work in all of this, but I'm not sure what.
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The fact that the 300 calories the high-intensity cardio burned had a higher percentage of carbohydrates used as fuel and less fat was used...
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