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Unread 05-17-2017, 11:37 PM
BigPecsPeter BigPecsPeter is offline
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Im talking in a hypothetical sense. Both are intermediate same genetics, would the person who just started going on a surplus of calories be at a advantage than the one who has always been in a surplus.
No. Why would he have any advantage over the other? There ARE NO NEWB GAINS FOR A WELL TRAINED INTERMEDIATE.
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No. Why would he have any advantage over the other? There ARE NO NEWB GAINS FOR A WELL TRAINED INTERMEDIATE.
I was thinking because his never been on a surplus his muscles would be wanting to grow with all the stimulus his been given. He hasnt been feeding his muscles appropriately to grow.
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I was thinking because his never been on a surplus his muscles would be wanting to grow with all the stimulus his been given. He hasnt been feeding his muscles appropriately to grow.
There's no magic. If their genetics are the same and they're training properly, they're not going to be in a wildly different place one way or another

Furthermore, the question is still too vague and lacks the detail to give any kind of sensible answer. And by the time you throw in another 10 variables, the answer will be too obvious to be worth asking the question.

More to the point, of what specific use is the question to you?

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There's no magic. If their genetics are the same and they're training properly, they're not going to be in a wildly different place one way or another

Furthermore, the question is still too vague and lacks the detail to give any kind of sensible answer. And by the time you throw in another 10 variables, the answer will be too obvious to be worth asking the question.

More to the point, of what specific use is the question to you?
Ive just watched a podcast with mike israetel answering the same question and he said you'll gain faster than a normal intermediate with the same training age just not as fast a newb
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Ive just watched a podcast with mike israetel answering the same question and he said you'll gain faster than a normal intermediate with the same training age just not as fast a newb
It depends on your starting point bulking!

The statement is patently idiotic. Too many missing essential variables
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Unread 05-18-2017, 04:28 AM
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It depends on your starting point bulking!

The statement is patently idiotic. Too many missing essential variables
I wouldnt go that far i thought it was a good question.

He also said that you should re sensitize your body for hypertrophy by doing strength training for a month
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I wouldnt go that far i thought it was a good question.

He also said that you should re sensitize your body for hypertrophy by doing strength training for a month
It isn't a good question, because it isn't properly formulated.

Here is a slightly better formulated example:

X and Y are identical twins who have been training 2 years each. X has bulked and cut before, Y has not. Both weigh the same presently, and both can squat 2x body weight.

That's a like for like situation.

X and Y will now start a new bulk simultaneously.

Do you truly believe that, just because Y has never bulked, he will now totally outperform X?

That's silly.

And that's also why your question was silly: it didn't present a true like for like situation
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It isn't a good question, because it isn't properly formulated.

Here is a slightly better formulated example:

X and Y are identical twins who have been training 2 years each. X has bulked and cut before, Y has not. Both weigh the same presently, and both can squat 2x body weight.

That's a like for like situation.

X and Y will now start a new bulk simultaneously.

Do you truly believe that, just because Y has never bulked, he will now totally outperform X?

That's silly.

And that's also why your question was silly: it didn't present a true like for like situation
Well the true value of the question is if you are well trained and never been on a surplus what will happen.

Mike said the muscles would be basically dying to be saturated with alot of nutrients and would gain muscle quicker than a normal intermediate who has bulked.

I basically worded the question the same as in the podcast, he thought it was a good question that challenged him a little.

Im glad i asked you for your opinion though, thank you.

Whats your thoughts on re sensitizing the muscle for hypertrophy, do the muscles get used high volume?
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Unread 05-19-2017, 06:41 AM
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Your premise is flawed. An obese person who is new to training and lifts while losing weight on a deficit is not the same as a thin person who trains but eats at maintenance for the same period of time.

Take both people after a year and the obese person will have lost weight but will have gained more strength than the thin person who's gained no weight.
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