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Unread 12-17-2018, 09:55 AM
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Default Client Not Losing Weight On RFL AND Got Her RMR results...

So I have a 46 year old female client that has been training for 5 months or so. She has lost about 25 pounds, which is WAY under what she should have in that time frame. She currently weighs 270.

A bunch of other clients that started at that time with less to lose have lost close to 50 so she should be down at least that.

She swears she is doing the diet.

Doctor says her thyroid is good.

She just went and got one of those RMR tests and it says that her RMR is 1656 cals/day. According to them her metabolism is 12% slow.

My question is: So it says that she is burning about 2000 cals a day with RMR+activity. If she is eating RFL she should be in about in a 1200 cal deficit/day. Which means she should be losing about 10 pounds per month.

She swears she is dieting. Is there any way possible that she is following the diet and not losing weight? Knowing these numbers. With hormones or anything? Is it physiologically possible in any way? I dont really want to call her out unless I am sure.

She lost most of the 25 pounds in the first couple of months then hardly anything the next 3.

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Unread 12-17-2018, 11:20 AM
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1) My first guess is that she's probably holding water. There's not much anyone can do about it, but dehydration; and even then once normal water intake resumes it'll come back. Eventually the body will empty fat cells of the water and results will be visible.

2) She could be mistaken about her calorie intake. For example; a TBSP of creamer in coffee is 50-100 k/cals. Mayo is 100 k/cal. She may be following the diet for the most part but adding things to make the diet less miserable that are adding extra calories.

3) Fat loss isn't always consistent for various reason. I.E. on paper someone should be losing 1lb of fat a week if they cut calories by 500/day but it's almost never the case in the real world.

4) She could be doing excessive activity that is dramatically slowing her metabolism on such an extreme diet.

She should consider taking a full diet break. She's doing something that she might not realize is causing the problem. Until you find out more details of her day to day, neither of you or us will be able to help. We need more information about her
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1) My first guess is that she's probably holding water. There's not much anyone can do about it, but dehydration; and even then once normal water intake resumes it'll come back. Eventually the body will empty fat cells of the water and results will be visible.

2) She could be mistaken about her calorie intake. For example; a TBSP of creamer in coffee is 50-100 k/cals. Mayo is 100 k/cal. She may be following the diet for the most part but adding things to make the diet less miserable that are adding extra calories.

3) Fat loss isn't always consistent for various reason. I.E. on paper someone should be losing 1lb of fat a week if they cut calories by 500/day but it's almost never the case in the real world.

4) She could be doing excessive activity that is dramatically slowing her metabolism on such an extreme diet.

She should consider taking a full diet break possibly. She's doing something that she might not realize that is causing the problem. If none of these are the case, some mild cardio might help a little. Hope my answers help!
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1. Even if she was holding water the scale still should have moved in the last couple of months.

2. Yes she could be mistake about calorie intake.

3. I realize fat loss is not linear. However someone with over 100 pounds to lose should see considerable fat loss in 5 months

4. She is not doing too much activity. We are training 2x/week with weights.
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Unread 12-17-2018, 04:14 PM
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It is almost always universally #2.
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Thanks!

1. Even if she was holding water the scale still should have moved in the last couple of months.

2. Yes she could be mistake about calorie intake.

3. I realize fat loss is not linear. However someone with over 100 pounds to lose should see considerable fat loss in 5 months

4. She is not doing too much activity. We are training 2x/week with weights.
I don't think she's actually doing the diet. She's either lying to you purposefully because she's embarrassed or she is adding extra calories into the diet without realizing it.

My brother used the RFL to drop 50lbs but it took him about a year to do so. When I told him that didn't make sense, he informed me that he was binge eating all his cravings every Saturday and would eat upwards of 5-7,000 calories - sometimes more - in that one day while doing the RFL religiously every other day.


So he was never actually doing that diet....ask your client some more direct questions about her food intake and tell her to describe eat meal in detail. You will get your answers then I'm sure
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Thanks for the responses guys! I know its almost always to do with calorie intake just wanted to make sure before I tell her.

People get offended when you tell them that.
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Thanks for the responses guys! I know its almost always to do with calorie intake just wanted to make sure before I tell her.

People get offended when you tell them that.
Have her buy a small food scale, tupperware, and basic food measuring cups. If she plans out and measures her meals every day she will appreciate how easy it is to over eat without you berating her into eating better.
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Have her buy a small food scale, tupperware, and basic food measuring cups. If she plans out and measures her meals every day she will appreciate how easy it is to over eat without you berating her into eating better.
Good plan.

Totally anecdotal, just sharing due to similarity-

I had a pattern much like this through my life. Would lose at first then nothing. Super frustrating.

What finally worked for me was extreme measures...don't know why, maybe it was just too much for my body to adapt for.

Lost about 100 doing a VLCD w/exercise. Regained a lot after some life stuff. Long history of obesity, so lower than average RMR is/was quite possible, though I never got it tested.

Then just so happens lost about 60 in 5 months and turned 46 in that time period. IIRC started at 1200 a day, bumped to 1400 after 4-6 weeks or so. Good amount of cardio...definitely more of a burn than lifting 2 days a week. Loss stayed at a pretty steady 3 pounds a week though I did gradually increase cardio as time went on.

Wasn't any particular diet...just weighing and tracking intake.
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Aside from water/bloat issues that are likely to occur when electrolytes/calories/macronutrients/glycogen are constantly being shifted...have her track EVERY FRIGGIN calorie to the tee.
Hell...it happened to me recently.

I slightly replaced my protein source with chicken breasts with protein powder....and haphhazardly added ketchup to it thinking it wasnt much calories.

After a stall in fat loss...i decided to check how much ketchup i was eating. It was a bit over 200g. That was 250 cals just alone in ketchup.

How about a splash of coconut cream here and there to coffee and protein smoothies? Another 150.

thats 400 total thus far.

Then i checked the other bits of this. Ate more.protein than i needed. Another 400 cals.

Thats 800 added
Then theres other 'a bit of this..a bit of that".. and i went from a deficit of a 1000 to eating at maintenance with diet foods.

Check them cals especially if one thinks they are stalling.
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