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Unread 02-08-2017, 01:58 PM
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I say your training is ridiculous, because it uses a lot of terribly specific movements, irregularly, with no clear objective. And a lot of stupid exercises. I see a lot of trainers do this. They'll put their client through a slew of movements with silly explanations, and no honest methodology behind it. That's the issue, basically. No honest methodology, no dilligent system to track incremental progress. Basically, a trainer only has to manipulate you into doing what he/she says. A good trainer will do this intelligently, with a plan, and get results. If your results are poor, fire the trainer.

For a weight loss diet for non-athletes, you focus on tension training to retain muscle and influence your body's inevitable departitioning as calculated by deficit, to preferentially use fat as fuel. That is all you need from the resistance training.

What you should desire from the resistance training, is transparency of purpose for each movement. And meaningful efficiency, for god's sake. Don't fall into the trap of meaningless efficiency. We don't just do supersets because it allows us to do four silly exercises at the same time. Perhaps for pushing and pulling, yes, if you are in a hurry, or you are well trained in the given exercises. Frankly, i don't even believe most people should get into this kind of thing. Keep it to regular sets so you can clearly track progress without obstruction from additional fatigue.

So, Starting Strength is conceptually closer to what you need, but on the opposite side of the spectrum. Do something in the middle. Like, tension training, a few big compounds (machines subbed when necessary), with a few auxiliary movements at a higher rep range. Regardless of what you do, consistency is key.

You will find on a diet, as you struggle to maintain your training performance, you are making progress. That's the surest sign your diet is working, and although people don't talk about failure as a sign of progress very often, it's actually a useful indicator. See, it might help you keep better track with concrete training systems in place. Then you'll have to balance this with your cardio habit.

Cardio is fine and all, to each his/her own, but while you're not fixated on improving aerobic performance, understand that the only purpose it serves is to build your energy deficit. So, take it or leave it, your choice - use it wisely, and don't let any catabolic effects masking fat loss freak you out. In my opinion, it is a terrible idea to do spin class, or group exercise in general (you are still training individuals, and an individual approach is best). It can wreck you. But women love to do things together.

As you track calories.... Well, it's only a guideline. All values are irrelevant, if the laws of thermodynamics are proven wrong, because that doesn't make sense. If you aren't losing weight, adjust until you are. It's easy math. You don't have to be precise. You subtract calories, (whether they're valued correctly or not), when you don't make progress at the rate you desire. Nothing bad will happen when you take control of the system, unless you are real unwise about it.

Sorry, I don't usually rant this much. I consumed a lot of weed-derivative products. You seem to be kinda lost.

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Unread 02-08-2017, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by squat View Post

Sorry, I don't usually rant this much. I consumed a lot of weed-derivative products. You seem to be kinda lost.
So you are one of those highly functional stream of consciousness types. I've known a few. It's been a really long time, but I was usually more of the meditative quiets the chatter in my head types...sometimes with visual effects.

Made perfect sense.

I was wondering if this person was making it up as he went along before anyone else was critical.

ADD here, for real.

I did have a goal re:cardio (resting heart rate) that I've reached. Figured that any additional deficit would be helpful. Mostly keep at it for the mental effects though...endorphins maybe, dopamine very likely. Boosts my mood for the rest of the day.

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Unread 02-09-2017, 12:39 PM
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Okay, cool. Well, at least I gave you some of my perspective. So, you see that if I were you, I'd be getting kind of indignant, whereas you are getting kind of dismayed. There's good reason to be indignant, and there's good reason to be dismayed. No good reason to be defeated, though. As long as you know what you want, and you're going in that direction, you win. You could stop dieting, but I don't think you should. Too many unanswered questions, y'know? I'm projecting, but every time I irrationalized myself halfway out from accomplishing a goal, I have regretted it. You have accomplished a lot, though. Good on you. Anyhow, good luck.

I was ADHD. I have good reason to believe the disorder is with society, though, not the individual. I supposedly have more disorders, but I've been officially unmedicated for a decade, and I am actually pretty darn successful, and well-liked. So take that, psychiatry! I'll pay attention to society when it stops jumping up and down in front of me and acting crazy.

By the by, with the weed thing, something strange happens when you combine high amounts of CBD with THC. You don't get high. I don't understand the mechanisms, but it's nice. I hear CBD is an inhibitor. They say it expands creativity, and destroys pain. Lots of nebulous claims. It is pretty cool, though. I am not usually so focused while on pot. I usually try to be less focused, and more funny.
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Unread 04-03-2017, 09:04 AM
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Aaaannd I'm back.

Hopefully keeping a journal will get me back to tracking again.

I have started tracking a few times now and then ditched the whole thing by dinner. I will eat real meals if someone puts them in front of me, but my default is lazy grazing.

So Wednesday:

- whey protein shake w/berries (40 g protein/300 calories, off to a good start)
- handful of raw almonds
- cheddar mini rice cakes
- 1 c. TJ's Spinach Ricotta ravioli
- carrots & hummus
- tortilla chips...1.5/2 servings at a guess
- 3 Oreos (um...)
- handful of Hot Tamales in bed

Yeah, lots of carbs, not a lot of protein, and who knows on calories. Need to track for protein particularly.

As far as training I've tried a program I had on hand for a few days. First two days were okay - I could do them at the smaller gym. But the third day I went to a bigger gym because they had the equipment I needed for the workout.

Blech...still hate a big busy gym.

I get other people liking the energy. I just don't have the patience or temperament. Two in the afternoon on a weekday and all three squat racks were doubled up the entire time I was there. Used the hack squat (one reason I went there) and don't like it at all...squatting while on your back? hurt my shoulders. Got blocked on two other machines too...left in frustration.

So if I'm working on my own then I need something more basic that doesn't require a lot of machines.

"Starting" weight is 151. Have set up my diary to 1604 calories/115 g protein. At this point the plan is regular exercise, tracking, and at least getting close to my protein goal.
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Unread 04-11-2017, 06:48 AM
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Not much to report this week. Weight is up 2 pounds (153 ).

I did start tracking again, didn't stay at 1600 most days though (3 around 1600/5 around 2000). Daughter was out of school this week and we had a family 4 day weekend.

As far as hitting a protein goal the days I have a whey protein shake I at least get over 100 g and days that I don't do that are more like 80 g.

Recently on a hummus and veggies kick and nutritionally not worth it for me because it is kind of a lot of calories for very minimal protein so maybe I can find a veggie dip I like that has more protein without a lot of fat...Greek yogurt based seems like a good place to start.

Found a workout program that seems like it will fit at the little gym, 3 day A/B/A full body. Has a couple of exercises I haven't done much before, but equipment doesn't seem to be an issue.

Have a suspicion that I've got to go to 1200 to actually make progress; don't know if I'm up for it yet. I can do it, but it is a PITA because I have to really dial everything in and it doesn't really leave room for fun stuff.

I've got a wedding to attend in east Texas at the end of May and I would love to be back to 145 for that. At the very least have to still fit the dress that I've already bought.
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Unread 04-18-2017, 10:51 AM
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Apr 11:

102 g protein
1233 calories

about half a spin class (power outage)

Apr 12:

112 g protein
1432 calories

paused BB squat 1 x 5 @ 95, 2 x 5 @ 115
overhead press 3 x 5 @ 45
RDL 3 x 8 @ 75
lat pulldown 3 x 10 @ 55
bench suitcase 2 x 15
DB curls 2 x 10 w/20s

Apr 13:

100 g protein
1214 calories

Apr 14:

96 g protein
1280 calories

BB squats 1 X 5 @ 115, 2 x 5 @ 125
BB flat bench 3 x 5 @ 60
pendlay rows 1 X 8 @ 65, 2 x 8 @ 60
reverse flies 3 x 10 w/10s
v bar push down 2 X 15 @ 30
BB calf raises 2 x 15 @70

Apr 15:

78 g protein
2094 calories

hour spin class

Apr 16:

80 g protein
2005 calories

Apr 17:

106 g protein
1306 calories

goblet squats 3 x 5 @ 45
overhead press 3 x 5 @ 50
RDL 3 x 8 @ 95
lat pulldown 2 x 10 @ 55
DB curls 2 x 10 w/20s
bench suitcase 2 x 15

Progress: Not much. Bouncing around the same spot; 151 today.

Alright food wise other than Sat/Sun when I was out of whey protein and I ate a bag of ghost pepper potato chips while reading the newest John Scalzi novel. Fun, but counterproductive.

Have been walking, but my tracker isn't syncing with my phone anymore; at least 3 miles a day though...actually had 7 yesterday.

Still figuring out the exercise side of things. Plus side for less volume is I'm less likely to lose track...I can usually pay attention up to 5-8 before my mind wanders off to something else and I'm counting 14 on a set that was supposed to be 12. Overhead press seems to be going okay, meant to try front squats last night but just did goblet squats because all the racks were taken, and I don't think I'm getting Pendlay rows right.
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