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Unread 06-10-2011, 07:31 AM
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Default Bench, squat, deadlift, 300, 400, 500

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Unread 06-10-2011, 11:03 AM
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Is there any data comparing front and back squat numbers? I would like to figure out if my squat is lagging as bad as I think it is. Due to low back issues from rugby(along with back squat form problems I assume) I do front squats. My deadlift form is good so I can still do them. I recently got 345 on bench, 275 on front squat, and 405 on deadlift all without any straps wraps or belts. Is my squat lagging that far behind or is front squat exceptionally harder?
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Unread 06-10-2011, 11:12 AM
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At least among Ol'er,s front squat is expected to be ~85% of back squat or thereabouts.
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Unread 06-10-2011, 11:25 AM
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In the book "Brawn" by Stuart McRobert (who advocates the goals of 1.5/2/2.5 for bench/squat/dead as discussed in the article), Dr. Strossen is quoted saying "...cut your back squat weight about 10 or 15% for front squats. When I say 'back squat,' I mean an honest, high bar, no wraps, medium stance, below parallel squat. No Mickey Mouse powerlifting stuff."

So yea 85% seems to be the consensus on front squats maxes.

Hey Lyle, how do you think RDL's fit into this equation?

I ask because my squat's pretty pathetic (230x4), but my RDL kind of blows it out of the water (225x8x4, w/reps left in the tank). Obviously it's not quite as strong as my dead but that's to be expected.

Is it normal to have an RDL much stronger than your squat?
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They don't and I've also seen folks with an RDL higher than their squat. In one specific case the trainee had horrible levers and a huge sticking point which kept their squat poundages down. They could routinely RDL more than they back squatted because of it.
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Are these numbers all 1RM by the way?
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Yes.
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Oke thx wondered that for some time
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They don't and I've also seen folks with an RDL higher than their squat. In one specific case the trainee had horrible levers and a huge sticking point which kept their squat poundages down. They could routinely RDL more than they back squatted because of it.
hmm, this is interesting since i always though shorter/stockier people like me (5'7 male) were better suited for the squat than the dead/RDL, but i suppose it's more about arm length, torso length, etc. I guess I'm just not made out to be a great squatter (not like im a comp. lifter anyway, I just think the squat is a great exercise, but I'll have to make due ). Besides at least now i know im not the only one with this imbalance.

Thanks for the response!
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It's also possible to do some profoundly strange things on an 'RDL' that a below parrallel squat won't allow. Limit rom, more knee bend that you think you're doing (making it close to a partial conventional DL), etc. Without seeing video of you doing both, it's just speculation. Ultimately, who cares.
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