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I remember reading on weightology that, if you're restricting calories, fruit is ok, if you're bulking, fruit will transform into fat.


I would love to see a link to what you think you read.
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Take home point for the layman - as soon as I see articles citing rat (or mice?) studies to prove its point, I would be better of ignoring that article?
And as soon as you see someone using rat and mice studies, you can ignore anything they have to say fairly safely.

For the reasons Lyle mentioned, rats deal with macronutrients in a very different way to humans. But I have still seen paleotards and low carbers construct vast arguments running into thousands of words, all based on why this and that rat/mice study prove insulinz is teh evilz. (Amongst other places, there are many great examples of this on the MyProtein forum, which is one of the reasons I started wasting my life here, and stopped posting there).
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I would love to see a link to what you think you read.
I also remembered reading something along those lines...

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http://weightology.net/?p=434

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Liver glycogen is a key factor here, because it reflects the overall energy status of your body. In fact, there is a positive relationship between liver glycogen and the rate at which your liver forms fat (4). Similarly, there is a negative relationship between how much liver glycogen you are creating, and how much fat your liver is creating (i.e., the more that fructose is directed towards the formation of liver glycogen, the less it is directed towards the creation of fat) (4). Basically, this means that if you are in an energy surplus (eating more calories than you’re expending, so that liver glycogen is constantly full), the fructose you eat is efficiently directed towards fat formation. However, if you are in an energy deficit (eating less calories than you’re expending, so that liver glycogen is not constantly full), then the fructose you eat will be directed more towards glycogen or being converted to glucose.
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I remember reading on weightology that, if you're restricting calories, fruit is ok, if you're bulking, fruit will transform into fat.
I don't remember that being said. I remember he said 50-75g fructose when bulking is fine, which you would be hard pressed to get from just fruit, but he cautioned against excessive fruit juice and too much refined foods for easy calories when bulking.
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I also remembered reading something along those lines...

The article:
http://weightology.net/?p=434

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I will check the link out later, but its clear what dyriao said is nothing like what the article was trying to suggest. Fruit when bulking won't make you fat.

I am also not sure if what is being talked about in the weightology article is practical advice to avoid weight gain, or - much like Lyle's "How we get fat" series - more of an overview of the mechanisms involved.
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I also remembered reading something along those lines...

The article:
http://weightology.net/?p=434

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Which is exactly the same thing I said in the research review. YOu might read the other comment I made: fructose, by not raising insulin, doesn't inhibit fat oxidation after consumption. Even if fat is made in the liver, the body is also burning more. And since you always gain fat in a surplus through one mechanism or another, it's not as if fructose is particularly evil.
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