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Well, that's how I do RDL's. I'm flexible, I guess.
Me too, but not that heavy or slow.Could probably do deficit DL.

I think I can go heavier on DL than RDL mostly because DL gives my grip a little break between reps.
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Me too, but not that heavy or slow.Could probably do deficit DL.

I think I can go heavier on DL than RDL mostly because DL gives my grip a little break between reps.
For sure. There's no way someone can move more weight on RDL than on DL, unless they're doing something very wrong.
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The guy in the video seems to be lowering his hips, as in, part of the deadlift pattern where you squat down. As far as I understand, and as I do them, in the RDL, you break at the knees a little and hinge your hip. Not so much squat down. Kind of hard to explain, maybe it is a matter of degree.

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I’ve never considered them quite the same as an RDL. The Dorian DLs it’s more of a DL style lowering where as RDL is more straight legged than Dorians. If you ever try them you’ll notice the difference in glute and ham involvement in one over the other. Also weights used in the Dorian style are much more comparable to a normal DL. I RDL 335 for 8 but a Dorian DL would use around 450 for my sets.
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The guy in the video seems to be lowering his hips, as in, part of the deadlift pattern where you squat down. As far as I understand, and as I do them, in the RDL, you break at the knees a little and hinge your hip. Not so much squat down. Kind of hard to explain, maybe it is a matter of degree.
I didn't really pay attention to video, but yeah, in RDL hips are locked, slight bend at knees, butt up, elbows rotated externally and only thing that goes up and down are shoulders.
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Makes sense...drop at the hip vs. hinge at the hip.

I was just watching the bar path the first time.
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For sure. There's no way someone can move more weight on RDL than on DL, unless they're doing something very wrong.
Then I'm doing something very wrong.

My bone length and hamstring flexibility doesn't allow me to sit deep when performing a deadlift. I always hit my knees. My hips need to be high to prevent hitting my knee. A deadlift for me is almost the same as an RDL from the floor with a huge moment arm for my lower back.
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Then I'm doing something very wrong.

My bone length and hamstring flexibility doesn't allow me to sit deep when performing a deadlift. I always hit my knees. My hips need to be high to prevent hitting my knee. A deadlift for me is almost the same as an RDL from the floor with a huge moment arm for my lower back.
Then you're a special snowflake.
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Then you're a special snowflake.
Isn't everybody? I'm eating 300 kcal a day and still gain fat. I swear!

There are a lot of guys having measurements not ideal for squat, bench press and/or deadlift. Not all of us have the limb lengths and flexibility to properly execute the big 3. Go into any commercial gym and you will always find guys dead lifting with their lower back (long femurs / short arms / short hams), doing "squatmornings" (long femurs / short torso / bad flexibility) or can't go beyond a 2 plate bench (long arms / small and flat torso).

Part of the game. Lucky for us, there are superior replacements.
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Isn't everybody? I'm eating 300 kcal a day and still gain fat. I swear!

There are a lot of guys having measurements not ideal for squat, bench press and/or deadlift. Not all of us have the limb lengths and flexibility to properly execute the big 3. Go into any commercial gym and you will always find guys dead lifting with their lower back (long femurs / short arms / short hams), doing "squatmornings" (long femurs / short torso / bad flexibility) or can't go beyond a 2 plate bench (long arms / small and flat torso).

Part of the game. Lucky for us, there are superior replacements.
I agree. Someone built for DL usually sucks at bench and vice versa.

I use RDL instead of DL, and leg press instead of squats. I only keep benching (even tho I have monkey arms), because I need something to feel like a man.
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