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Unread 04-13-2014, 04:10 PM
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Default Where can I learn about weight lifting for Striking Sports?

So I've done Judo and Krav maga for 1 year and would like to do Muay Thai next. To be honest, this is my first time I would actually have to switch up my routine to be more targeted since the demands of the sport is different, therefore I do not know much about this kind of training. I assume it's a lot of endurance training? Where can I find more about how I should switch up my training for muay thai?
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Unread 04-13-2014, 05:10 PM
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Not a precise answer, but I think this is a really good article to consider for martial arts in general: http://www.powering-through.com/2012...jacked-by.html

The same can be said for wrestling I think with personal experience. Technique and drills on the mat, but strength and conditioning for a specific sport instead of for its own sake isn't a whole new ballgame with strange and fancy exercises.

The cardio, strength, and explosivity of normal training will complement technique of the sport. Someone recently (like yesterday I think) posted on GSP's specialization and rep ranges, but as Lyle stated we have to remember he is an elite athlete with the strictest of demands that wouldn't make much of a difference to you or I.

Oh! And if you trust your muay thai gym, always seek out counsel there. Find out what's done in addition to the sessions. Definitely easier to do it as part of a group eh.
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Unread 04-13-2014, 06:17 PM
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Here was the GSP thread http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=28353
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If it were me, I would spar with the more experienced members of my gym in order to find out what areas I had weaknesses in, then train those weaknesses.
As important as conditioning is, the best way to get good at any combat sport is to practice that sport.
Skill training should be #1, followed by conditioning, then strength.
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If it were me, I would spar with the more experienced members of my gym in order to find out what areas I had weaknesses in, then train those weaknesses.
As important as conditioning is, the best way to get good at any combat sport is to practice that sport.
Skill training should be #1, followed by conditioning, then strength.
Yes, this. Keep in mind that absolute strength levels for striking sports are unlikely to be massive. It's more about explosiveness and strength.
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thanks guys, read the article and thread and helped out a lot. appreciate it.
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Came up on my FB feed, thought it might be useful for you

http://freakstrength.com/increasing-...and-endurance/
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excellent. Thanks lyle
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Striking sports prioritize range over power, and power over strength. Hence the reason you can't find much on weight training for striking sports is, it isn't a good idea.

An average height man is 5'10''. Boxers at that height are usually either Welterweight or Middleweight, 147 to 160 lbs. That's not very muscular, although they LOOK muscular due to low levels of body fat.

Yeah there are exceptions, but exceptions PROVE the general rule. The exceptions are striking precisely because they prove the rule.

The same height professional Kickboxer is typically Lightweight or 154 lbs.

In the 2012 Olympics, the average Lightweight (150 lbs) Taekwondo competitor was 5'10''.

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Generally speaking, strikers build power in their punches and kicks through good technique, which comes from skill drills, and cardio is more important than strength.

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Table of boxers, kickboxers, and taekwondo average heights by weight follows:

Boxer- 51 Flywt, 63.5 inches, 112 lbs
Boxer- 54 Bntmwt, 66.2 inches, 118 lbs
Boxer- 57 Fthrwt, 67 inches, 126 lbs
Boxer- 61 Lightwt, 68.2 inches, 135 lbs
Boxer- 67 Wltrwt, 69.3 inches, 147 lbs
Boxer- 73 Mddlwt, 70.4 inches, 160 lbs
Boxer- 76 Sp.Mddlwt, 72.2 inches, 168 lbs
Boxer- 79 Lt.Hvywt, 72.7 inches, 175 lbs
Boxer- 91 Crsrwt, 73.9 inches, 200 lbs
Boxer- 91+ Hvywt, 76 inches, 235 lbs
Kickboxing- 65 Fthrwt, 68.9 inches, 143 lbs
Kickboxing- 70 Lightwt, 69.4 inches, 154 lbs
Kickboxing- 77 Wltrwt, 71.4 inches, 169 lbs
Kickboxing- 85 Mddlwt, 73.5 inches, 187 lbs
Kickboxing- 95 Lt.Hvywt, 74.5 inches, 209 lbs
Kickboxing- 95+ Hvywt, 76.4 inches, 248 lbs
Taekwondo- 58 Flywt, 68.3 inches, 128 lbs
Taekwondo- 68 Lightwt, 69.7 inches, 150 lbs
Taekwondo- 80 Mddlwt, 71.6 inches, 176 lbs
Taekwondo- 80+ Hvywt, 73.5 inches, 197 lbs
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Unread 05-03-2014, 02:07 PM
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Since you mentioned Judo, here are the stats from 2012 Olympics for that sport.

Judoka- 60 Ex.Ltwt, 65.5 inches, 132 lbs
Judoka- 66 Hlf.Ltwt, 67.8 inches, 145 lbs
Judoka- 73 Lightwt, 69.8 inches, 161 lbs
Judoka- 81 Hlf.Mddlwt, 70 inches, 178 lbs
Judoka- 90 Mddlwt, 72.2 inches, 198 lbs
Judoka-100 Hlf.Hvywt, 72.3 inches, 220 lbs
Judoka-100+ Hvywt, 73.6 inches, 287 lbs

Notice how for every particular height, the Judoka has about 30+ lbs of extra weight compared to a Boxer of the same height?

That should tell you a LOT about the relative priority of strength in the two sports.
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