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Unread 04-23-2017, 08:08 AM
volimsmes volimsmes is offline
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Default Ketosis and satiety.

I read a lot about ketosis and a lot of people say their apetite gets under control and they get to and hold optimal weight effortlessly. I am trying out keto, but still don't get this feeling. I still have to control my portions by effort.

Is there any benefit with regards to appetite or are people just idiots?
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Unread 04-23-2017, 08:35 AM
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IME, some people have great appetite control on lowcarb diets, others not so much. Make sure you're eating enough protein sicne that's where most of the benefit is probably from anyhow
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Unread 04-23-2017, 08:42 AM
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So it's not the case that ketosis lowers appetite for anyone as all the gurus advocate...

I have more then enought protein, I might try to lower it to see if deeper ketosis will work better becouse even more then 1g per pound of protein doesn't seem to satisfy hunger.

Otherwise I will just suck it up I guess.
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Unread 07-03-2017, 03:16 AM
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Depends on the person:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21652033 shows in rats, ketones can increase leptin sensitivity, but I wouldn't know if that works in people too.

Studies like https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11596667 show hyperinsulinemia causes CNS leptin resistance. Lustig makes a big deal of that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEFowqGmfAM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111494 shows Trigs cause leptin resistance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16582918 shows C-RP blocks leptin, so probably explains why some people who are sensitive to wheat, for example, will lose weight and spontaneously eat less when they quit it (or going on some sort of paleoish diet)


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So it's not the case that ketosis lowers appetite for anyone as all the gurus advocate...

I have more then enought protein, I might try to lower it to see if deeper ketosis will work better becouse even more then 1g per pound of protein doesn't seem to satisfy hunger.

Otherwise I will just suck it up I guess.
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Unread 07-04-2017, 05:11 PM
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I found keeping carbs low with moderate high fat and protein was pretty clutch for satiety. I was nowhere keto though protein intake was too massive. Now similar amts of protein and high carbs with lowish fats didnt have same effect so it wasnt solely due to protein
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Unread 07-06-2017, 06:58 AM
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Some people do lousy on low-carb / keto. Without the carbs, available serotonin and endorphin levels drop, pain thresholds decrease. HPA axis regulation tends to be worse (more cortisol), sleep can get worse. Stressed out types, people who do lots of activity can get into an overtraining. I remember one n=1 of a high stressed out fire fighter who had trouble keeping weight/appetite down on keto--had to add back some CHO to get the serotonin/endorphin up to knock HPA down a bit.

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I found keeping carbs low with moderate high fat and protein was pretty clutch for satiety. I was nowhere keto though protein intake was too massive. Now similar amts of protein and high carbs with lowish fats didnt have same effect so it wasnt solely due to protein
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