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Unread 09-24-2014, 10:12 PM
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Default Question about protein intake.

Out of curiosity, why isn't 150g of protein recommended for the first couple of weeks on RFL like it is for keto?

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Unread 09-25-2014, 12:10 AM
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why 150? its all based on ones lbm and lyle has the formula laid out in the book just follow that...150 g protein for someone who is 200 lbs and is a category 1 dieter would be counter intuitive on a diet as specific as this
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Unread 09-25-2014, 12:53 AM
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Out of curiosity, why isn't 150g of protein recommended for the first couple of weeks on RFL like it is for keto?

TIA. :-)
Lyle must just shake his head when he sees these questions.

Read my man. 150 protein on RFL would be like 600 Cal a day plus EFA for 200 lb dude.. Cmon
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Unread 09-25-2014, 01:00 AM
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Calories are beside the point.
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Aside from being a 220 lb dudette.
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Unread 09-25-2014, 01:12 AM
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My question was specifically intended to reference the nitrogen-sparing benefit of consuming 150 g of protein when starting keto. Would it not have the same nitrogen-sparing effect on RFL? 600 calories for two weeks is trivial in the grand scheme of things. Scant, even.
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Unread 09-25-2014, 03:40 AM
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In face of zero carbs at the start of keto, 150g is a safe minimum to ensure enough glucose to maintain nitrogen balance. Since 58% or so of protein is converted to glucose.

Actual protein consumption could be less than that, if a corresponding small amount of carbs are ingested. Like the example in the book. What was it, something like 125g protein and 10g carbs. Because the carbs go to glucose.

The question, while not at all a stupid one, is irrelevant really since there are hardly any conceivable situations where somebody on RFL would be on much below 150g protein.

And in the unusual cases where consumption DOES turn out less, there are enough carbs from the vegetables to make up for it. So enough glucose to maintain nitrogen balance.

And remember, ketosis is NOT the aim of the diet.
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In face of zero carbs at the start of keto, 150g is a safe minimum to ensure enough glucose to maintain nitrogen balance. Since 58% or so of protein is converted to glucose.

Actual protein consumption could be less than that, if a corresponding small amount of carbs are ingested. Like the example in the book. What was it, something like 125g protein and 10g carbs. Because the carbs go to glucose.

The question, while not at all a stupid one, is irrelevant really since there are hardly any conceivable situations where somebody on RFL would be on much below 150g protein.

And in the unusual cases where consumption DOES turn out less, there are enough carbs from the vegetables to make up for it. So enough glucose to maintain nitrogen balance.

And remember, ketosis is NOT the aim of the diet.
Hi Peter. Thanks very much for your reply. The RFL calculator recommends 97g of protein for me. To make up the balance by eating vegetables would be hard to do, but not impossible I guess. Certainly it would break up the monotony.

The reason this is important to me is that I've been doing very low carb since February, and not having utilized a targeted protein-sparing approach it is becoming increasingly important for me to do so, especially yo-yoing in and out of ketosis. I hope that makes sense.

I know that ketosis isn't the aim of the diet, but fat burning for fuel is.....
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Unread 09-25-2014, 04:43 AM
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Hi Peter. Thanks very much for your reply. The RFL calculator recommends 97g of protein for me. To make up the balance by eating vegetables would be hard to do, but not impossible I guess. Certainly it would break up the monotony.

The reason this is important to me is that I've been doing very low carb since February, and not having utilized a targeted protein-sparing approach it is becoming increasingly important for me to do so, especially yo-yoing in and out of ketosis. I hope that makes sense.

I know that ketosis isn't the aim of the diet, but fat burning for fuel is.....
I guess there are actually a bunch of cat 3 scenarios where protein is around 100g.

Honestly though, I just wouldn't be worrying about this issue. Following RFL as recommended in the book, you're not going to have any problems on account of the whole nitrogen balance thing. Please don't worry about it.
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Unread 09-25-2014, 01:26 PM
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Thanks Peter.

I'm not worried about it, but I am concerned - justifiably so, I think.

I realize that there are a lot of variables. Tons. Considering my fatness I probably have less to be concerned about, but during my last stint on RFL sometimes I felt weaker than I should have despite adequate electrolyte intake.

I'm going to try really hard to do a 12-week stint at RFL this time, so I'll compromise and do 125g of protein for three weeks.
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