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Unread 04-26-2011, 12:44 AM
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Hey guys I started doing dieting and lifting 7 weeks ago, I've been in ketosis for 6 weeks now. However I haven't really lost anything at all. Can I be in a stall from the get go?

Can way under eating from the start cause something like this?
(I didn't read the 15cal/lb until after this past week)

I'm 5'7, 217.5lbs, and 28.8% bf. I'm working out 3 days per week. I've been messing around with the calories. I'm however keeping my macros at 5c/30p/65f. I've also just been doing the SKD. Haven't cheated at all either.

My weight has been something like...
w1-220
w2-223 These weeks I'd been eating about 1900/day.
w3-219
w4-218.5 I was looking for more like 1lb/week so cut it to 1600-1700/day
w5-217.5
w6-217.5

Getting pretty frustrated, and not quite sure which direction to take.
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Unread 04-26-2011, 01:34 AM
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Lets get the obvious ones out of the way.

How, exactly, are you measuring calorie intake?
What were you doing before, specifically, any sort of diet?
Did you just start taking creatine?
Any other measurements showing progress (smaller waist etc.)?

At those stats, a stall due to messed up metabolism is under normal circumstances incredilby unlikely.
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Unread 04-26-2011, 02:26 AM
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Lets get the obvious ones out of the way.

How, exactly, are you measuring calorie intake?
What were you doing before, specifically, any sort of diet?
Did you just start taking creatine?
Any other measurements showing progress (smaller waist etc.)?

At those stats, a stall due to messed up metabolism is under normal circumstances incredilby unlikely.
I'm measuring caloric intake with myfitness pal. I do measure, and have a scale.
No particular diet before. Decided I wanted to be healthy and lose fat.
No creatine, only supplements I take are fish oil, and a multivitamin.
I haven't had any difference in clothing fit. I started doing the tape measure ( bicept, nipple line, belly button etc) but I just started this week after not seeing losses anywhere else.

I'd also like to note that I haven't been doing a TKD with my workouts, because my workouts haven't been suffering.
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maybe only buy products with the nutritional labels in the beggining? it's fail proof
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OP:
1) Weighing everything to the gram or are you using any volume measurements?

2) Are you making large use of any supposedly 'zero' calorie products?

2) Calorie counting is estimations from both ends. If you are 100% positive on your input counts (ie to the gram) then you are obviously not burning as much as you think
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Unread 04-26-2011, 11:51 AM
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Not everyone does well on ketogenic diets. Try something else.
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Unread 04-26-2011, 12:05 PM
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If you weren't lifting before you started, in my experience you can get what seems to be a water weight gain from starting to lift. As near as I can tell, you should be losing around 1.5-2 pounds a week so you should be down around 7-10 pounds from your starting point.

I think the first week going to 223 was fairly telling, as you probably gained water, starting out either low on glycogen or somewhat dehydrated, and starting lifting. I really don't think you gained 3 "real" Pounds (muscle or Fat), and most of that was likely water weight swings.

The frustrating thing about 1 pound a week type deficits, is water weight swings can completely conceal changes.
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Unread 04-26-2011, 03:42 PM
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1) Weighing everything to the gram or are you using any volume measurements?

2) Are you making large use of any supposedly 'zero' calorie products?

2) Calorie counting is estimations from both ends. If you are 100% positive on your input counts (ie to the gram) then you are obviously not burning as much as you think
I'm using the weight measurement, or directly off the packaging ( such as with sausage/bacon).
My "free" veggies I still account for. Basically I'm eating between 6-10oz per day of the greens. I had to do some digging but I found the comparison. So for my salad, that's 1 serving, for broccoli it's closer to 2. I'm not going crazy, if anything I could probably stand to eat a little more green.

DJ, I've lifted some before so I've kind of expected that first week bump. This is also my first time working out/exercising in over a year. While I knew newbie gains were possible, at this point I think I'm kind of past that right?
I've also considered the possibility of fluid retention. I do kind of feel that some spots are "squishy" so I'm actually hopping that I'll get a big drop soon. I've definitely been doing the deficits to lose much more then 2.5lbs though. I wouldn't even care about the scale at all if at least my clothes were fitting better or something.

Lyle, I'm gonna to give it another week or 2. Is there a possibility I can still say low carb (greater then 30, but less then 100)? Can too much fat(saturated) someones be the culprit? Should I have a carb up day to perhaps try to induce a whoosh?

Thanks so far guys!

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Unread 04-26-2011, 10:36 PM
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Weigh those meats. One thing I noticed is packaging info is horrible for that.

Seriously weigh out a sausage. I bet it weighs a good chunk more than the pkg's stated amount. Every one I ever bought did. Bacon the same. Pain in the rear. And why I have since given up using sausage and bacon. I use lean meats and add cheese, I can control the fat/protein ratio better
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Unread 05-11-2011, 04:27 PM
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So just to update...
I think the culprit was definitely sodium. I basically cut out some processed stuff (pepperoni, cheese), as well as not snacking on seeds/nuts everyday.

As a result my weight basically shot down.

W1-220
W2-223
W3-219
W4-218.5
W5-217.5
W6-217.5 ( here's where I cut sodium)
W7-214.5
W8 210.5 (this week)
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