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Unread 06-22-2015, 10:56 AM
warenm warenm is offline
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Lyle,

In your interview with Sigma Nutrition a few months back, you said that you no longer believe that short refeeds help with fat loss. Here is the excerpt what I'm referencing from the interview:

"And way back in the day I was a little bit more enthusiastic about short
refeeds, although the first time I wrote about them, I even said not 100%
sure that this is having a big-time effect and I'm now way more convinced
that short refeeds and by short I mean five hours to one day, probably
aren't doing much. There is an acute increase in energy expenditure but
it's just carbs raising energy expenditure directly but as far as the central
and leptin adaptations and I base it on this fact, even with total starvation
despite the claims that missing a meal puts you in fat storage mode
which is BS."

You go on to say that you now lean more towards longer refeeds like in UD2. Again, the excerpt from your interview:

"Like I suspect it takes a longer time period and I actually took advantage of this in my Ultimate Diet 2.0 book. I was like: okay, I kept the dieting
phase to 4 days. Just long enough to get some good fat loss but really
without slowing the metabolic rate and then I put it in like a two and a
half-, three-day refeed to sort of reverse leptin and reverse the
adaptations to some degree. Right you’re never going to prevent the
body fat loss issue but at least by cycling calories you’re doing that. So my
gut says that short refeeds like five hours to a day are great for
psychology, they refill muscle glycogen, they let you eat some food that
you would like to eat, they help the person get carbs which helps with
training intensity. I doubt it's really reversing any of the long
term adaptations. I think that takes at least three days.

My question is, what guidelines do you suggest for these refeeds? If you are not doing UD2 but are following the principles of Flexible Dieting, how should we structure our refeeds?

Thanks for your input.
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Unread 06-22-2015, 11:44 AM
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I think the reality is that for folks that are not lean enough for UD2.0 or don't want such an extreme approach, a 3 day refeed is only going to drag the diet out and probably make you gain back some fat, unless in extreme circumstances where you're doing UD2.0 style depletion or your diet is just celery (..in which case, why not UD2.0?!).

The hormonal and metabolic problems really aren't too severe for folk above and around cat 2, which can easily be remedied by regular diet breaks. I think the benefits of short refeeds on performance in the gym and the break you get to eat a bunch of bagels without getting fat more than justify their usage.
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Unread 06-24-2015, 06:19 AM
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Interesting. Would really like to hear what Lyle has to say about this.
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Unread 06-24-2015, 07:22 AM
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My question is, what guidelines do you suggest for these refeeds? If you are not doing UD2 but are following the principles of Flexible Dieting, how should we structure our refeeds?
Is a refeed really necessary with flexible dieting? In my experience, I've not needed one because I'm not depriving myself of anything.
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Unread 06-24-2015, 11:22 AM
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There was a thread on this already..
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Unread 06-24-2015, 03:40 PM
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http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=30501
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Unread 06-26-2015, 06:33 AM
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Thanks Destiny23. Guess we have to wait for the new book to find out any more about these 3 day refeeds.
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