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Unread 02-22-2008, 07:31 AM
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Default High caloric intake and proteins from grains.

I have a high maintenance and need to eat substantial amounts of food and therefore carbs in my case when trying to put on muscle.
If I want to stay in the 1-1.1g/lbs.bw of protein recommandation proteins from grains represent a significant proportion of the daily intake.

Even if I know the lesser quality of grains proteins are counterbalanced with other high quality ones in a non-retarded diet, when the amount becomes important should one pay attention to this?
If so, at what point to start beginning to worry about it?
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worry about what?
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Worry about the amount of protein coming from higher quality/better AA profile sources (meat, dairy, powders) becoming too low, and the possibility of consequently being low on some AAs.

Like for a 160 lbs person, where for example more than 80g (~half of the daily intake) of protein would come from oats alone.
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as mentiond in one of hte chapters of hte book, with a veyr high protein intake and any kind of mixed intake, I don't think it's much of an issue
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Yes, I've attentively read that part of the book and that's why I wrote: "Even if I know the lesser quality of grains proteins are counterbalanced with other high quality ones ".

As with everything I just wanted to know up to what point it was still relevant.

Thanks for the clarification, anyway.
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as per the book, if you were eating 1-1.5 g/lb of protein from just about any source, you'd probably be fine.

it's really only the combination of
low protein + single low quality source where it really matters
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<hair split> I have two other questions on this topic... </hair split>

Having just skimmed through your usual Sunday articles monsoon, one caught my attention in regards to this topic. Great chances are I may have it completely backwards so sorry in advance if it's the case.

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Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2008 Feb;198(2):210.e1-7

Protein intake and ovulatory infertility.

CONCLUSION: Replacing animal sources of protein with vegetable sources of protein may reduce ovulatory infertility risk.
So does this study imply anything for men and proteins from vegetable sources being possibly not as good for anabolism?




Also p 63 of the book, there's a chart for leucine and BCAA content of selected food that shows that for example wheat protein has ~half the amount compared to other higher quality sources.
Above you say "1-1.5g/lbs of any source and you should probably be fine".
Ok, but if one's goal is to specifically optimize hypertrophy/anabolism/muscle growth, not just maintain mass, seeing BCAA and especially leucine have a big role on stimulating protein synthesis, wouldn't it be of any concern?


Yes, sorry, even to me it sounds like hair splitting...
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are you an ovulating female?
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No, but as you see, I have my down phases.
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