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Unread 04-21-2017, 02:30 AM
nsteel nsteel is offline
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Default Mentzer - 1 set to failure per bodypart is all you need

Mentzer - 1 set to failure per bodypart is all you need.

He and his supporters are able to cite research that shows this.

Moreover, they also state that further sets beyond this will interfere with recovery.

Hit opponents are able to cite research that supports the opposite.


Broaden your perspective and you find bodybuilders, powerlifters, olympic lifters, gymnasts, speed skaters, wrestlers who show considerable hypertrophy and do different things.

What do lay people like me believe?
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Unread 04-21-2017, 02:46 AM
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Everything works for beginners.

For advanced lifters it's much harder. It'll be a dance of volume, intensity, frequency and RPE to even progress.

At the end of the day, one set to failure is too low volume. (unless you train each muscle group 7 days a week)
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Everything works for beginners.

For advanced lifters it's much harder. It'll be a dance of volume, intensity, frequency and RPE to even progress.

At the end of the day, one set to failure is too low volume. (unless you train each muscle group 7 days a week)
"Too low volume" is an overgeneralization. Some people have the physiology to gain even on such regimens.

It's very important to make a distinction between what is a good strategy for most, and what may still work well for some, in spite of its being unideal for most.

In relation to OP's observation that lots of approaches evidently show considerable hypertrophy: this is true. But the one thing they ALL HAVE IN COMMON is... OVERLOAD. You can overload with rollerblading. Calisthenics. Break dancing. Working in a warehouse. Being a lumberjack. Whatever.
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Unread 04-21-2017, 05:02 AM
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^^^

Also, one set to failure of WHAT?? How many reps etc? No details. Totally bare statement
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Unread 04-21-2017, 05:13 AM
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He recommends 8 to 12 reps.
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Unread 04-21-2017, 05:50 AM
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"Too low volume" is an overgeneralization. Some people have the physiology to gain even on such regimens.

It's very important to make a distinction between what is a good strategy for most, and what may still work well for some, in spite of its being unideal for most.

In relation to OP's observation that lots of approaches evidently show considerable hypertrophy: this is true. But the one thing they ALL HAVE IN COMMON is... OVERLOAD. You can overload with rollerblading. Calisthenics. Break dancing. Working in a warehouse. Being a lumberjack. Whatever.
This.
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1.) Bench Press 95 pounds for 10 reps.
2.) If successful add 5 pounds the next day
3.) ????
4.) Profit
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Unread 04-21-2017, 08:26 AM
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Mentzer is a crackpot and ALL of the singe set studies are in beginners.

Even there some studies show multiple sets are superior.

Mentzer is a crackpot.
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Unread 04-21-2017, 10:18 AM
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Almost everybody uses multiple sets. This revolutionized bodybuilding, for one.

Mentzer is an outlier. You think everybody else who trains successfully with multiple sets is wrong?

When people say crazy things, assume they are crazy.

Both sides can provide evidence, but it's up to you and using your critical thinking skills to evaluate what the evidence actually means. Don't let people feed you their assertions. Go on an evidence diet, and only eat the information you need to know. Be bulimic with their conclusions, and throw up on them.
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Unread 04-21-2017, 12:56 PM
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Almost everybody uses multiple sets. This revolutionized bodybuilding, for one.

Mentzer is an outlier. You think everybody else who trains successfully with multiple sets is wrong?

When people say crazy things, assume they are crazy.

Both sides can provide evidence, but it's up to you and using your critical thinking skills to evaluate what the evidence actually means. Don't let people feed you their assertions. Go on an evidence diet, and only eat the information you need to know. Be bulimic with their conclusions, and throw up on them.

Add enough drugs and the training stops mattering. And hell, Mentzer got beaten by Arnold who did 20 sets per bodypart. Ergo, volume>HIT

Mentzer was attempting ot use 'logic' to define training. He started from Randian 'There must be a single valid way' which is negated by the fact that too many different approahces work and then logiced that only by going to 100% could you ENSURE you had stimulated growth. Which is doubly nonsense. And even Jone's original HIT was more like 9 sets/week.

By the end Mentzer was recommending one set every 2 weeks.

Lemme know how that works for you.
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