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Unread 11-02-2009, 08:06 AM
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Default Any benefit to skipping first carb up to increase fat loss?

When doing UD2.0 is there any benefit to skipping the first refeed during the 1st week of the diet to increase fat loss since you would be creating a very large deficit over the first 2 weeks?

How would this effect LBM and cortisol levels?
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Unread 11-02-2009, 08:15 AM
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I thought you were doing RFL
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Unread 11-02-2009, 08:34 AM
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I am currently, but am getting some advice from members since I would like to do UD2.0 when I finish RFL
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When doing UD2.0 is there any benefit to skipping the first refeed during the 1st week of the diet to increase fat loss since you would be creating a very large deficit over the first 2 weeks?

How would this effect LBM and cortisol levels?
I'd say that's a pretty bad idea.

You increase the risk of losing lbm without a doubt.

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Unread 11-02-2009, 08:43 AM
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What would your advice be if I have been eating at around a 15-20% deficit for most of this week to help me get over a stomach virus and have been eating carbs but only in the form of fruits, veggies, and some cottage cheese/yogurt. Should I still have a refeed this weekend as I usually would or would I want to skip it?

I am planning on doing a depletion workout tonight with cardio after now that I am feeling better. I will do the same later in the week, 2 more times.

Did you do the RFL as well as UD2.0 and if so which did you have the best results with in terms of leaning out?

Thanks
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Unread 11-02-2009, 09:13 AM
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There was a 14 day cycle floating around that you might want to track down. I'll put it up if it's not here. But the deficit is much smaller on the diet days to take that into account.
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Unread 11-02-2009, 11:27 AM
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So would the deficit on the low calorie/low carb days in the 14 day cycle be a lot less than 50% of maintenance? Also, I am currently at or slightly below 15% bodyfat. Does this make a difference on doing the 14 day cycle versus the 7 or 8 day?
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Unread 11-02-2009, 12:08 PM
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The original 14 cycle was drawn up for someone elsewhere that seemed to be having zero luck with the original 7 day cycle. For whatever reason

The deficit across the roughly 11 diet days was only 20%. Basically it was a moderate deficit lowcarb diet for 11 days with the same 3 day overfeed at the end.

Training was something like this

Mon/Tue: depletion
Thu or Fri: full body short tension workout
Mon or Tue: full body short tension workout
Thu: final tension workout, begin carb load
Fri: carb load
Sat: power workout
Sun: off

cardio could be done daily.
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Unread 11-02-2009, 03:52 PM
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I recently finished my cutting cycle and maybe did it in a fashion you are contemplating.

I started with RFL for 9 days. On the 10th day I did a UD2-style carb load and from then on I smoothly went into UD2.

Would be interested what Lyle says about this variation.
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Unread 11-02-2009, 04:28 PM
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Thanks for all the input. For someone that is on their first cycle of the UD2.0 diet and training schedule, how do they know when they have done the depletion workouts correctly and adequately depleted glycogen?

Are their signals that the body will give or feelings during/after the workout other than the lactic acid burn that indicate that glycogen has been efficiently depleted?

My apologies for any questions that may seem ignorant, but I just ordered the book and am waiting on it to arrive so have yet to have a chance to understand everything for myself other than what I have read on the forum.
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