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Unread 07-12-2011, 07:09 AM
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Unread 07-12-2011, 08:11 AM
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I would just love to read an article about self motivation written in your language.

(If it's already there I'll humbly ask for a link, came up with nothing on search)

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Unread 07-12-2011, 08:18 AM
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Awesome article.
Just as with Jean Paulo's endless attaboys about my articles, this is both unneccessary and unneeded. I don't care.
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Unread 07-12-2011, 08:24 AM
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I edited my post anyway lol
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I thought skinners' basic reward/punishment system studied in birds and other animals was ditched for use in explaining human behaviour decades ago?
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But uhm it defenetely works
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I thought skinners' basic reward/punishment system studied in birds and other animals was ditched for use in explaining human behaviour decades ago?
I would argue that humans are more complex than simple behaviorism can explain but saying that behaviorism or these techniques 'don't work' is a bit silly.

Check the military, how any parent raises their kid or schools. Basic behaviorism: provide or remove punishment, provide or remove reward and you can modify behavior pretty well.
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I thought skinners' basic reward/punishment system studied in birds and other animals was ditched for use in explaining human behaviour decades ago?
And here's what's funny: I didn't say that behaviorism was the only explanaiont of behavior now did I? In fact, with the dogs I specifically mentioned INSTINCT. There are also imprints.

But since you can't control either of those, you change beahvior with behaviorism.

And know how I turned off the comments with the comment that invariably people start asking debating what they THINK I'm saying rather than what I'm actually saying.....look at what you wrote and compare it to the actual article and what I said.
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Unread 07-14-2011, 10:12 PM
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I thought skinners' basic reward/punishment system studied in birds and other animals was ditched for use in explaining human behaviour decades ago?
Skinner didn't develop basic reward and punishment "systems" in the sense that you are referring -- He advocated a more dynamic interaction of the environment and the organism, building off of more reductionist approaches (such as those furthered by John Watson and the early so-called methodological behaviorists).

I certainly hope that human behavior can be both predicted and controlled in the same sense that it can across every other biological species; otherwise, I am clean out of work (I work in a behavioral health department of a hospital, wherein we apply these fundamental principles of learning which Lyle outlines in this series of articles to a variety of substance abuse and treatment contexts).

While human behavior, especially the ability to engage in more complex and abstract verbal behavior makes the pursuit of understanding the functional relationship between events much more difficult, it is not an impossible task. Modern behaviorism deals with probabilistic events, not determinism as it is so often misunderstood.

The underlying assumptions of behavioral thought have yet to be disproved. No, they are not exactly in the vogue right now (and they have always been antithetical to a culture which values both individualism and big "F" free will).

I'm really happy to see behavioral principles applied to exercise habits -- one of the studies that my department is currently running is looking at effecting lifestyle changes in sedentary individuals by rewarding them contingent upon walking 10,000 steps/day. So far, the treatment is incredibly effective.

Awesome stuff, Lyle.
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