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Unread 12-16-2008, 02:20 PM
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I've been doing keto for pretty much several years. It hasn't helped me lose very much weight, for one reason or another. Anyway, I've realized that I'm not a bodybuilder, never was, never will be, don't want to be. I'm closer to a powerlifter (at least in my own mind). But I've slowly been losing strength from slacking off and trying to lose weight. I've decided that just ain't for me. You can't do both.

So I'm thinking of doing a bulk with keto to gain muscle size and strength. If I do this, what kind of calorie total am I looking for? Or should I not use keto to bulk? Or not bulk at all? Currently my ratios are pretty close to 60/30/10, f/p/c, and 2200-2400 cals. Probably not enough, actually.

I'm 5'5", 215 lbs and probably 26-28% body fat. My arms are just shy of 17". I'm hoping to get ~18". I know thats about 15 lbs of lean mass, which is probably 20-25 lbs total. I'd probably get up to about 235-240? If I gain more fat, so be it. I have a good tailor.

All thoughts, criticisms, comments, mockeries are welcome.
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Unread 12-16-2008, 02:28 PM
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1. If you've been on a keto diet for 'a long time' with no weight loss, consider that you're doing something very wrong or the diet isn't for you

2. Bulking at 28% bodyfat will be a disaster. Not only will you partition poorly, you will end up in the 30% bodyfat range or higher. Not only will this give you a truly poor amount of LBM in any weight class, it's also increasing your health risk. That's on top of the fact that ketogenic diets are not optimal for bulking.

3. Read just about everything on the main site about the topic on fat loss, comparing the diets, etc.
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Unread 12-16-2008, 02:42 PM
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1. If you've been on a keto diet for 'a long time' with no weight loss, consider that you're doing something very wrong or the diet isn't for you
That's been my suspicion all along, that it's not for me and/or I'm doing it wrong. Using fitday doesn't help, since I think it's numbers are skewed.

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2. Bulking at 28% bodyfat will be a disaster. Not only will you partition poorly, you will end up in the 30% bodyfat range or higher. Not only will this give you a truly poor amount of LBM in any weight class, it's also increasing your health risk. That's on top of the fact that ketogenic diets are not optimal for bulking.
OK, that's pretty much what I thought I'd hear at some point. And I'm not disappointed. I've used keto because I was diagnosed insulin resistant, and it's what "everybody" says to do. I'm on metformin; my A1c is now in the mid 5s and fasting glucose <99.

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3. Read just about everything on the main site about the topic on fat loss, comparing the diets, etc.
Will do. I have a feeling that I should probably stick with something more "balanced", like 40/35/25 p/c/f. I just might be able to fuel my workouts and gain size and strength. I will definitely tear through the articles. Thanks greatly.
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This series would be a good starting place
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Unread 12-16-2008, 04:54 PM
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Thanks. I'm starting there and following through the articles.
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